ISS Prop House gives us the rundown on the guns used in Enemy at the Gate. I've been loading Precision Delta 147s with 3.6gr of titegroup and a 1.15oal. Heavy cast 9mm bullets are available from several online vendors. Some folks use 158 grain .38/.357 caliber revolver bullets in their 9mm. : 1.160" Max Velocity: 1250 fps. I have other powder and have read that bullseye is a faster powder than needed in 9mm,but would like to use it if possible. Whether the bulged cases will fit in your gun will depend on your chamber's dimensions. None of the other heavy bullet makers I asked had load data. This means that some brands of brass will be more forgiving than others with these long bullets. 9mm load of choice? I like to use accurate no 7 as you can push it a wee faster as the pressure curve is more gradual than with a faster burning powder. Big bore semiauto or a lever gun? You can use a taper or a roll crimp. Keith Feeley of Tactical Solutions sat down with Michael Bane at SHOT Show 2018 to talk about the new X-Ring Takedown SBR .22LR rifle. They should be around 915-925 fps. Longer bullets take up more space in the case and will produce higher pressure if they are loaded to the same overall length. 7 and Power Pistol are good powders for this role, and Accurate No. 7 was able to match Fiocchi factory velocities with Bayou and Armscor bullets within safe estimated pressure limits. All Rights Reserved. The Lyman 44th Edition has data for Bullseye, Red Dot, Unique and Herco for 158 grain cast lead bullets (bullet mold #358311) and is available here. These bullets usually offer more penetration and a softer feeling recoil impulse when fired at the same power factor as lighter bullets. Considering how popular the .270 Winchester has become, it's a great mystery why more .270... Frank and Tony from Gallery of Guns spice up the Glock test using their non-dominant hands. Load data for our Superior Plated Bullets® can be found in any manual or on any powder manufacturerâs website. The gunpowders were Accurate No. 3.4 gr. This allows a gradual build up in the barrel without exceeding cup pressure. I did not see an obvious sign of excess pressure with these loads, as indicated by excess bulging of the cases in the unsupported region of the chamber. It was fun to mess around making a subsonic 147 grain 9mm (bit quieter), but it was just that, play. Follow safe guidelines and use caution when developing your handloads and watch for pressure signs. The load Im using is the starting load for the particular powder. I dont have the suppressor yet as the ATF takes a friggin long time for approval, but I wanted to make a test batch to see how they functioned. A 147 grain lead bullet will have less felt recoil than the 115. As long as it stays subsonic, which Im sure it will, and is accurate enough through my hosts/suppressor, I'll just leave it as is. ** Estimated pressure is in the 9mm Luger +P range. However, the low recoil impulse also means that they might not reliably cycle some 9mm pistols with standard weight recoil springs, and a weaker recoil spring might be required for reliable function. Mag. XTP 6.0 gr. I've not tried the 147-grain bullets in handloaded 9mm rounds, but am told that some extremely accurate loads are there for folks wanting to try. The low charge weights and low velocities translates into a low and slow recoil impulse which can be quite pleasant to shoot. I've used 3.9 gr W231 under Speer Gold Dot 147 gr JHPs for pin shooting. A couple of the test loads had an estimated pressure in the 9mm Luger +P range, as noted in the tables. Tom Beckstrand and Neal Emery of Hornady highlight the 6MM Creedmoor ammo. Made from a swaged lead core and copper jacket, our FMJ bullets are renowned for their consistency and accuracy. The Fiocchi rounds' overall length measured 1.135". Based on the 9mm data I am willing to bet it will be a very good, if not great powder for the 40. | The author/s of QL is/are fully aware of this and the software comes with many warnings and disclaimers with these facts in mind. Some folks prefer the recoil impulse of heavy bullets because it feels more like a push compared to the snap of light weight bullets. We ping steel with a .300 WinMag at over a mile. Fiocchi, IMI and Prvi Partizan offer a 158 grain FMJ round at 850, 935 and 984 fps, respectively. Stateline Bullets is the premier provider and manufacturer of Cast Lead Bullets and reloading supplies. Finally, I always love the accuracy in the 147 grain bullets. Unfortunately, I have no help to offer in this bullet weight. ....you can generally take a published load with 231 and reduce the load by .1 and use the data for WST in 9mm" "WST will perform best with 147's and coated lead. Regarding a subsonic 9mm 147 gr. I have been carrying 124 grains to find middle ground. They don't list an overall length. Finally, I have a load for 38 Super that uses Unique and 158 semi wadcutters. The current Lyman manual (49th Edition) does not have load data for anything heavier than 147 grains, but older manuals do. My personal favorite is 3.6-3.7 grains of WST with a 147 Bayou flat point or the Zero 147 JHP" Bullet shape varies and some bullets are longer than others even though they weigh the same. I looked in my Lee 2nd Edition reloading manual and see that for Bullseye powder it gives the starting load of 4.7 gr, and the max load of 4.9 gr. I shot a RMR 9mm RN Hardcore Match bullet thru a bowling pin at 10 yards. Not all brass is the same, and some Federal 9mm brass has thinner walls at that position. QL's estimated pressure for this load was high at 41,415 psi. No responsibility for the use or safety in use of this data is assumed or implied. I had read that the 115 grain in +P was the best, but had my doubts, so went with 124 grain. I tried my hand at loading a some 9mm rounds using Shell Shock NAS3 cases, Federal 200M primers, Alliant Power Pistol powder, and Zero 147 HP bullets at 1.145" OAL. I only report them to show what the QL software calculated. Curious as to why the X-Treme bullets fit, I pulled one after seating it and saw that the base was being slightly swaged to a boat tail shape. Most manuals stop at 147 grains, though Hodgdon and Vihtavuori have data for 150 grain bullets. I have been looking at some Federal Tactical HST, and bonded and they have some 147 grain and a 135 grain +P that has good ballistics data from what I see and understand on their charts. I also searched around the web to see what other folks were using. ©2021 Outdoor Sportsman Group. 147 gn rainier rn,3.5 gn bullseye,1.190 oal.rockriver ar 16" barrel with yhm can.very quite and accurate at 100 yd.case lenth and oal matters. I've decided to move from rifle reloading to now doing some pistol. Min Charge Max Charge Optimal Charge Bullet Make Bullet Type Primer Notes; Accurate - Nitro 100 NF: 115 gr. Loading 147 grain Golden Sabers is dangerous in 9x19, period. Got a deal on both today. 9mm 165 grain load data. L. 1. JHP, Iâll be fair with an average velocity of 975 FPS: 147 x 975 / 225218 = .636 lb-seconds, approximately 2/3 the momentum of the 230 grain .45 ACP load. Sure it groups 1" or so out of a good gun but you can get 1.5" usually from a accurate lead load in .45acp. Cartridge Name: 9mm Cartridge O.A.L. Does anyone have good load data for 147gr & 160gr 9mm Bayou Bullets using Titegroup powder? The boat tail prevents the bullet from excessively bulging the brass where it starts to thicken. Most people who shoot a 9mm Luger use 115 and 124 grain bullets, since these are the typical weights for this cartridge. I am comtemplating reloading for the 9mm to achieve an accurate load for my BHP's and Walther P-5. I don't have the exact velocity figures, but it was somewhere in the 1300 ft/sec range. Plated bullets are relatively soft and readily deform. In general, loads with fast powders that used low charge weights and produced velocities below 800 fps did not reliably cycle the Glock. I've cast some of the Lee 9mm 125 gr lead round-nose tumble lube bullets. They were 100% in both my P226 Elite and my G17 with no signs of overpressure. I found it to be accurate and to meter well. But my Lyman 48th Edition reloading manual says that for a 125 gr lead bullet the starting load of Bullseye is 3.3 gr and the max is 3.9. 380 Auto (ACP) Load Data; 9mm Luger (Parabellum) Load Data; 357 Sig Load Data; 38 Special Load Data; 357 Magnum Load Data; 357 Remington Maximum Load Data; 40 S&W Load Data; 10mm Auto Load Data; ... 115 Grain; 124 Grain; 147 Grain; Cartridge Information. It will require more weight for the same velocity as fast powders but the additional weight of the slow powder will produce more recoil force. The author is not responsible for mishaps of any kind, which might occur from the use of this data in developing your handloads. 6 gr BE. Does anyone have any load data for Missouri Bullet Company 147gr .356 FN brinell 18 coated lead bullets using bullseye. .356 9mm 125 grain Lead round nose OAL 1.130 - 4 inch Smith 5906 Unique 4.1 grains Start = 911 FPS (no pressure data) Unique 4.5 grains MAX = 1011 FPS (no pressure data)-----Source - RCBS Cast Bullet Manual number 1 (1986) 9mm-124-RN (Cast Lead Bullet) No OAL Listed - 4 inch barrel length Unique 5.1 grains Start =1102 FPS (no pressure data) X-Treme Bullets offers a 165 grain plated RN. I contacted Hodgdon, Western Powders and Alliant to see if they had data for heavy bullets. ... Third, watch your crimp and make sure it is uniform. FMP 9mm (.356") 147 Grain Round Nose Copper Plated Bullets (750) FMP 40/10mm (.401) 165 Grain Round Nose Flat Point Copper Plated Bullets (100) ***This is ⦠Since we now have the momentum for the 9mm 147 gr. So I loaded up 20 test rounds with 3.3gr's of Titegroup and Winchester small pistol primers at an OAL of 1.135. The 9mm will handle heavier bullets. If you want to keep your pressures below the standard pressure limit, drop the charge weight by 0.1 grains for those loads. I reduced the load to 2.3 grains to keep estimated pressures reasonable, but at an average of 738 fps, none of these rounds cycled the gun reliably. In the absence of pressure tested data (with the possible exception of the old Lyman manual), I relied on QuickLOAD (QL) internal ballistics software (version 3.8.0.2 ) to set limits for my tests. I thought it might be due to their slightly larger diameter (0.001-0.002"), but that seemed unlikely because they were significantly shorter than the X-Treme bullets which did not excessively bulge the brass. The heel of virgin bullets touch one another, but the heel of the seated bullet does not touch the adjacent bullet because it has been swaged to a smaller diameter. All Shooting Times subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. 147gr xtp 4. Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1. These heavyweights were delightful to shoot, so if you're looking for soft-shooting, hard-hitting bullets, give them a try. Handgun shotshells are more complicated than one might think. To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. I tried seating the 158 grain Armscor FMJ .357 bullets in Winchester brass, but they bulged the brass too much and would not fit in my chamber. Accurate No. Bullet: Berryâs 147 grain plated 9mm Round Nose; Powder: Hodgdon CFE-Pistol, 4.2 grains These lead cast ⦠Fiocchi factory 158 grain FMJ ammunition chronographed an average of 936 fps from my test gun, a Glock Model 19 (4" barrel). WST 9mm = 124gr OR 115gr 5. 350 grain Hornady XTP 37 grains 2400 1550 FPS 37 grains Lil' Gun 1650 FPS. Those loads are noted in the tables. There simply isn't much load data for the super-heavy 9mm bullets. We look at the futuristic .450 Bushmaster and how it compares to the tried and true .45-70. Your Titegroup load should work well for you. The .38/.357 bullets were Armscor 158 grain FMJ, Berry's 158 grain plated RN and Rainier 158 grain plated HP. Cast or jacketed data with the same grain weight and profile will work with our bullets. My favorite Thumper (hunting) load in the 9mm has always been: 147 gr. I have no idea of the velocity, I was at that time a member the "heavy and slow" school of pinshooting. The base of the Rainier and Berry's plated bullets were also swaged a little. Powders include Winchester, Vihtavuori, Alliant, IMR, Hodgdon, Accurate, Ramshot It is the user's responsibility to follow safe handloading guidelines to develop safe ammunition. Good candidate powders for this application from the ones I used are Accurate No. It is best to look at the load data and use a chronigraph while looking for pressure signs. Good choice, 9mm. Finding heavy bullets isn't a problem, but finding load data for them is. No pressure estimate could be calculated for WSF because it is not in the QL database. The heart of the newest Model 70 is, of course, its action. Firing 21 different loads in Kimber's Mountain Ascent rifle proved it is a good friend to have... Like situational ethics, standards of accuracy vary according to circumstances. A couple of the reported loads would not reliably cycle my Glock with the factory recoil spring. These bullets are long, which means they go deep in the case and should be seated to a long overall length to prevent excessive case bulge. Powder formulation might or might not have changed a bit since then, so I don't know how valid the data is today. One used to be able to get IMI's 9mm 158 grain FMJ bullets, but these seem hard to find nowadays. This powder is awfully fast for this application and won't produce much of a recoil impulse or velocity at standard operating pressures. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. I tried a reduced charge of Black and Blue Bullets' recommended load with 2.5 grains of N310 with Bayou 160 grain bullets at an overall length of 1.155". Always cross-reference load data with manufacturerâs published data. SP primer 1.140 OAL The load is anywhere from just under to just over max depending on what data source you look at. The bullet weight and configuration I think is important. Six bullets and eight gunpowders were used. Our hard lead cast bullets for pistols and rifles are made of the highest quality foundry alloy and are triple hand sorted to guarantee you the best reloading bullets and shooting supplies the market has to offer, all at competitive prices. The SAAMI maximum average pressure limit for the 9mm Luger is 35,000 psi, and the limit for 9mm +P is 38,500 psi. Skip jacketed for range amunition and go for coated lead. ... 9mm 147 FP-NLG Coated Subsonic ... ACME Bullet Company manufactures 9mm 93 Grain Makarov hard cast bullets. I suspect the manuals authors considered that no one would want a reduced velocity load for their 9x19 using Bullseye and lead bullets. thanks Using bullets from Lyman 356632, Redding/SAECO 377, Lee 356-125-2R, LBT .359 140 FN, H&G 12B, Lyman 358212, Redding/SAECO 929, Redding/SAECO 910, RCBS 9mm-147-FN, Lyman 358311. People are using a wide range of powders from fast (N310) to slow (Accurate No. Besides, I am not aware of any of the major bullet manufacturers making a cast 147 grain bullet for the 9x19. I don't have a chronograph, so I don't try to get to close to the speed of sound. Fast burning powders generally use small charge weights and approach the maximum recommended pressure limit rather quickly and might produce only modest velocities. The reason the shorter FMJ bullets were bulging the case so much was because the base of the FMJ bullets was reluctant to swage. 9mm Luger / 9mm Parabellum (147 GR) Handload Data reloading data with 55 loads. 7) for these heavyweights. My goal was not to find the highest velocities for a given powder, but simply to find some loads that would work and did not have excessive QL pressure estimates. When I was looking for powder for 147 grain 9mm, I noticed that AA#7 was developed for the 9mm 147 grain bullet. I recently picked up a box of 147 grain Missouri bullets for my new 9mm Luger reloading efforts. Subscriber Services. I hope to get to the range this Saturday to test them out. Im considering 147 gr. Powder Bul Weight C.O.L. I also asked the heavy bullet makers for load data, and Black and Blue Bullets responded with a load they used in a revolver: 2.6 to 2.7 grains of Vihtavuori N310 loaded to 1.250" or shorter. Buy 9 MM hard cast bullets. My plans are to have Sport Pistol tested in my 40 not later than next week. Their subsonic velocity is ideal for suppressors. 9mm Cast Bullet Loads reloading data with 46 loads. You use this data at your own risk. If you plug the numbers in a recoil calculator and use a 185 grain lead .45 going 725 it nearly matches the recoil from a 115 grain 9mm going 1100 fps, assuming equal gun weights. None had pressure-tested data, but Western Powders offered an estimated load range for 160 grain bullets with Accurate No. The usual big name U.S. manufacturers, CCI, Federal, Remington and Winchester, don't offer anything over 147 grains. of Power Pistol powder, was the most accurate load in all my 9MM pistols (SIG, Glock, Walther, CZ, Ruger). But it is still guessing, and is not the same as rigorous lab testing with a piezoelectric transducer under controlled conditions. Folks interested in high velocities should use slower burning gunpowders as they tend to produce more velocity than faster gunpowders for the same pressure. He assisted me with load data too, and suggested this HM line of bullets can follow FMJ load data. bullets. If the case bulges too much, it won't fit in the chamber. After years of experimenting with 9MM reloads; bullets (plated, jacketed, no lead), powders, loads, etc., I came to the conclusion that 115 gr. The 3.9gr is a max load in the Lee manual, but a sheet included with the bullets took it up to 4.2 gr. In fact, most 9mm ammunition with 158-grain and heavier bullets have âsubsonicâ printed on the box to emphasize their use for this purpose. I'm shooting an M&P Pro and want to make 130pf. 1.100 in. I'll be testing them in my Glock 17 and Sig P226 Elite which the suppressor will be used on once its approved. The black arrow shows the heel of two virgin X-Treme 165 grain bullets compared to the heel of a seated bullet (yellow arrow) that has been swaged to a boat tail-like shape from being seated in a 9mm Luger case. Agreed. I load 147gr Hornady HP/XTP with between 6.0 gr and 6.3 gr of AA No.7 (depending on if I'm reloading for my 16" 9mm AR or my Glock 17). Shop Nosler Products. I will post the data in the 40/10mm section. They shoot really well but I wanted to give Bayou a try, have heard great things about them. I will get some 40 data as quickly as possible. ), seating depth and the burning properties of the gunpowder. View Favorite Rifle Load Data JHP, lets use it with the shortcut I mentioned: .636 x (975 / 2) = 310 Ft/lbs. * Did not reliably cycle the test gun. They are pictured here: Question, I am finding listed load data for this bullet a little more difficult than I expected. I just picked up some Montana Gold 147gr CMJ's (Complete Metal Jacket) for a subsonic load Im gonna work on to be used with a SilencerCo Osprey 9mm suppressor. Hereâs the components used for the load featured in that article/story: Use load data at your own risk. It produced 761 fps but I experienced some cycling malfunctions in the Glock because it produced so little recoil. Blue Dot Federal case (once fired) Win. It's a pricey powder, but I've also heard it makes a great subsonic load. My plan is to test Sport Pistol with the 147 grain coated bullet as well. Or you can try a weaker recoil spring. Velocities are the average of a 10-shot string. Shot out of 8 3/4" S&W 500 Mag. 147 sns lead 2.7 bulls eye powder is x ring accurate at 25 yards in my Kart barreled 9mm wad gun (slide mounted ultra dot).But this load does not hold up to 50 yards. 9MM lead cast bullets for reloading and other reloading supplies available online at ACME Bullet. Some shooters prefer a heavier bullet, and the most common heavy weight is 147 grains. Standard disclaimer. The 9mm bullets were Bayou Bullets 160 grain polymer coated cast RN, X-Treme Bullets 165 grain plated RN and IMI 158 grain FMJ. As to whether it is clean, here is a forum where the members felt it was not particularly dirty if the load was relatively hot. 9mm Luger Cartridge Information. 350 grain Berry's TMJ FP 14 grains Unique 925 FPS. 7, starting with 5.0 grains for about 700 fps, and a maximum of 6.1 grains for about 800 fps. Using bullets from Hornady HPBT-XTP, Speer TMJ-FN. 9mm Luger - 147 grain Custom Comp etition® 0.156 V er sio n 8.2 B .C . 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For plinking, I use 115gr Ranier, and for pin shoots I use Rem 125 grain ⦠Work up to with caution. 7, Alliant Power Pistol, and Ramshot Silhouette. Powders include Alliant, Hodgdon, Accurate, Winchester I might have to try it out one day. As luck would have it, I didn't have any of the powders in the Lyman manual, nor could I find any at local stores. The current Lyman manual (49th Edition) does not have load data for anything heavier than 147 grains, but older manuals do. Velocity was recorded with a Shooting Chrony chronograph at about 10 feet. Ultimate Reloader is not responsible for errors in load data on this website. I've been shooting 147 grain Berry's RN at 4.2 grains CFE-Pistol and a 1.130" COL. But slower loads left behind residue. These shoot well for me and I get around 950 fps from a 4" Walther PPX. If you're using long-for-weight bullets, you might need to reduce the charge weight to keep pressures within safe operating levels. Use this tip carefully. 7, Alliant Power Pistol, Hodgdon Titegroup, Ramshot Silhouette, VihtaVuori N310 and N320, and Winchester 231 and Super Field (WSF).
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